Grid Examine - Cursor Over Issue

Krixus

There something "weird" going on with the "cursor over" option when it comes to triggering grid examine on a selected combatant/cell via an input key. By "cursor over" I mean the option that appears when you disable "auto show info" when defining combatant info boxes.

My input key to trigger the HUD is F1, so what should be happening I assume is that with "cursor over" disabled, you should be able to trigger the info regardless of hovering over the selected cell or not.

Or at the very least, with "cursor over" enabled, then that is what should be happening based on the tooltips in the editor. There seems to be something odd happening in that the behavior is reversed. If I enable "cursor over" I can no longer trigger any grid info when I press F1 when hovering over a combatant, it only works when "cursor over" is disabled.

I compared this setup to a demo project in ORK 2 and it behaves slightly differently in ORK 2 in that the grid examine HUD definitely appears when 'cursor over" is enabled compared to not appearing at all in ORK 3. At this point, I'm confused what even is the difference between the default behavior when it is enabled vs disabled.

The ORK 2 setup does not have any colliders/character controllers/rigidbody etc on any of the combatants when they are in combat either, so I don't think it's an issue of the combatant not being detected. The same goes for the cell itself, as I have cells that have nothing even defined but the combatants standing over them trigger grid info when "Cursor Over" is enabled.

gamingislove

Tested it and it works fine on my end.
If Cursor Over is disabled, the key can be used to show the info if the cursor isn't over the cell - however, if you e.g. use hover cell selection, the examined cell is most likely no longer the one with the combatant. In short, the call key is used on the currently examined cell, if no combatant is on it, nothing will be shown.

Krixus

gamingislove

What I don't get is why the behavior is different between ORK 2 and ORK 3.

I've checked and in both ORK 2 and ORK 3, I have "hover select" enabled.

ORK 2:

ORK 3:

Then in Examine Grid/Cell Info Text/Combatant Info Dialogue, if I disable "Auto Show Info", assign a specific call key like Right Mouse Button and enable "Cursor Over", in ORK 2 the grid examine HUDs will appear when I right click on a combatant.

However in ORK 3, if I enable "Cursor Over" the grid examine UI will no longer appear.

In both ORK 2 and ORK 3, if I disable "Cursor Over", then right click on the combatant the grid examine HUDs will show.

Has the behavior changed between ORK 2 and ORK 3 or was there some previous issue that has been fixed in ORK 3? I'm confused as to why the behavior is different in ORK 3 and why it's acting "in the opposite" way.

Opposite as in, if I enable Cursor Over the grid examine does not trigger, however if I disable it, the grid examine HUD will show when I right click over the combatant.

gamingislove

Krixus Opposite as in, if I enable Cursor Over the grid examine does not trigger, however if I disable it, the grid examine HUD will show when I right click over the combatant.

Does it also show when the cursor is not over it? Because that's what this setting does, call the combatant info whenever the input key is used. If cursor over isn't working, it has something to do with the cursor not recognizing the combatant below it, e.g. due to something being in the way between the combatant and camera that blocks the raycast.

The behaviour should be the same in ORK 2 and ORK 3.
Also, grid examine has nothing to do with the target setting's mouse/touch control, only with the grid cell selection, though if examining is happening during the target selection, the target settings play a role in selecting a target combatant (i.e. for actions that don't target grid cells).

Krixus

Well, after coincidentally setting up things in target settings it seems if you enable "Use Grid Cell" in Mouse/Touch control the grid examine HUD will now show up when "Cursor Over" is enabled.

What confuses me further though is now regardless of whether "Cursor Over" is enabled or disabled, the same behavior will occur, IE having the grid examine HUD show when right clicking on the combatant.

I'm confused now as to whether I should enable it or disable it, or if this is a bug or just a strange combination of other settings like "Hover Select" interacting with each other? I'd appreciate some clarification on this.

Krixus

gamingislove

Whether I enable "Cursor Over" or disable it, the behavior doesn't change, that is the main source of my confusion.

In my settings, "Examine Grid" settings has "Always Active/During Target Selection and Only Player Phase" enabled.

Only combatants have information that trigger examine grid, I don't trigger it for grid cells, so when my mouse is moving around on the grid, the only time grid examine (HUDs with Auto Show Info - Enabled) triggers when hovering over is for combatants.

The source of my confusion though are the rest of the grid examine HUD elements that have "Auto Show Info" disabled and are triggered with a call key - right mouse button.

Whether "Cursor Over" is enabled or disabled in all those related HUDs the behavior is the same which is the grid examine HUDs will show when I hover over a combatant and press right mouse button. I guess its technically working but I don't know why it works whether or not "Cursor Over" is enabled or disabled.

That's what the editor tooltip mentions in "Cursor Info", combine it to open combatant's info with RMB.

Or is this setting just made redundant because I have "Hover Select" also enabled in Cell Selection, is that why this behavior works regardless of whether "Cursor Over" is enabled or disabled?

gamingislove

Krixus Or is this setting just made redundant because I have "Hover Select" also enabled in Cell Selection, is that why this behavior works regardless of whether "Cursor Over" is enabled or disabled?

Well, somewhat.
Cursor Over being enabled means the input key is only used while the cursor is over the cell. It being disabled means it can be used at all times. Due to Hover Select being used, the cell the cursor is over will be selected, so it can basically only show the info for the cell the cursor is over :)

Krixus

gamingislove

Gotcha thanks, I was really scratching my head wondering if it was a bug that the behavior was reversed or if it was a combination of different settings that caused this.